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no fiscal cliff dealing in sight. now we are talking about hitting the debt ceiling on december 31. what are the top trades for 2013? cnbc contributor michael farr. good to see you. great to have you here. >> thanks, michelle. wonderful to be with you. >> have you heard about what timothy geithner said tonight? >> you are way better looking than kudlow. i know you heard that. this is a much better screen to look at from our glide flattery will get you everywhere. did you hear secretary geithner sent out a note saying that -- letter, official letter saying we are going to hit the debt ceiling monday. lee business days notice. >> perfect. >> what will that do to the markets tomorrow? >> you and i talked about this is a couple of years ago when we hit hit it in july and i was dead wrong. i was entirely dead wrong. i thought congress would make sure we wouldn't lose our aaa debt rate. >> and we did. >> and -- yeah. i figured certainly logically that yields would go up on bonds. and that the stock market would fall and just the opposite happening. what happen this time to the markets sti
no fiscal cliff dealing in sight. now we are talking about hitting the debt ceiling on december 31. what are the top trades for 2013? cnbc contributor michael farr. good to see you. great to have you here. >> thanks, michelle. wonderful to be with you. >> have you heard about what timothy geithner said tonight? >> you are way better looking than kudlow. i know you heard that. this is a much better screen to look at from our glide flattery will get you everywhere. did you hear...
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are riding together on come together on the fiscal cliff deal, it does appear the ceo apparently may not understand what exactly the fiscal cliff is. what this may say about the whole cliff situation. that's when we come right back. you better come back and join us once again. y wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> all right. the selloff is intensifying ri
are riding together on come together on the fiscal cliff deal, it does appear the ceo apparently may not understand what exactly the fiscal cliff is. what this may say about the whole cliff situation. that's when we come right back. you better come back and join us once again. y wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use...
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there's no deal, no new offer on the fiscal cliff crisis. president obama has just told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the program, but the market's very unhappy. we do have some good news to report tonight. looks like at least one cliff has been averted for the time being. the so-called container cliff. the union that represents dock workers and u.s. maritime lines came to an agreement today to extend their current contract for 30 days. this is a big relief now for the retail industry and consumers who were staring at real destruction again for the supply chain. here now is jonathan gold and he's vice president of supply chain and customs policy for the national retail federatio
there's no deal, no new offer on the fiscal cliff crisis. president obama has just told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the...
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i know i was tough, the biggest deal. the fiscal cliff killed us. retailers went deep on profession and they said, no. i thrill city nyse's will be bert. >> do you think it's getting better in 2013, bert? >> 2013 starts the retail ice age and maybe the 500 to 1,000-day retail recession. shopping centers, malls-based, starting to refinance some of them will create record vak kiss on the laws. >> which stocks specifically are going to suffer in home depot, radio shack, possibly shorts authority, some of the other office supply category killer stores. >> let me go in mr. glass half hull. anybody coming through had. as mentioned referenced so well. you also have you are even outfitters tutting it on ol centr retailers who have not reinvested back in the business are secularly having the shoppers shift away from them. they are going to have a tougher time. >> i think it's too late to save herb greenberg's bet with brian sullivan for this year, but you were on our show just recently, and you've turned positive for j.c. penney. >> i was a lot more positive
i know i was tough, the biggest deal. the fiscal cliff killed us. retailers went deep on profession and they said, no. i thrill city nyse's will be bert. >> do you think it's getting better in 2013, bert? >> 2013 starts the retail ice age and maybe the 500 to 1,000-day retail recession. shopping centers, malls-based, starting to refinance some of them will create record vak kiss on the laws. >> which stocks specifically are going to suffer in home depot, radio shack, possibly...
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how is oil dependent on fiscal cliff deal or no deal? >> well, i think that's the biggest short-term burden that crude oil and most of the commodities have right now. the biggest factor is if no deal is done by year end, the possibility of the u.s. slipping into a recession in the first half, greatly increases significantly. if that does that, you can see crude oil prices back off to that short-term support right around 86. i think overhead we're met with about a 91 resistance. the volume and also the participants in the market are going to be significantly less as a result of these fiscal cliff worries. >> we're going to sort of trend right around here -- it doesn't look like we're going to get a deal before year end of any great significance. that being said, we may get one last year. do we trade in line right here? >> so we're going to trade probably 91 on the upside, 86 on the low side. i think once a deal is done, you're going to see a reemergence of a risk-on rally. i think that's where crude oil breaks out to the upside. we start
how is oil dependent on fiscal cliff deal or no deal? >> well, i think that's the biggest short-term burden that crude oil and most of the commodities have right now. the biggest factor is if no deal is done by year end, the possibility of the u.s. slipping into a recession in the first half, greatly increases significantly. if that does that, you can see crude oil prices back off to that short-term support right around 86. i think overhead we're met with about a 91 resistance. the volume...
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still ahead what is preventing lawmakers from reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff? can a deal get done at this point? congressman peter welch will join us with insight at 11 a.m. suddenly, she does something unexpected and you see the woman you fell in love with. she's everything to you. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than fo
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cliff deal was not reached. still no deal as we stand. only a few days to go. are you actually planning a hiring freeze or layoffs? >> i think every business man plans the fall part of the year, particularly if they are on a calendar fiscal year. we put "x" percent of our budget at risk with a contingency just in case things go bad in the economy. >> what percentage is that now? >> i don't want to tip off to the street what our -- what our plan is, but what i will say is that we have doubled our contingency this year which puts in a set of action plans that we act on depending on what happens in the economy. so we pull back on cap "x" and gain cap "x" and we include head count. >> us a well know, mark, we've had a whole parade of ceos like you who tell us the very same story. we're waiting. what are you waiting for? what would you like to see from washington that gets to you unleash that cap "x" and other things? >> the best deal would be a big deal. >> you want a grand bargain? >> i mean, americans don't want p
cliff deal was not reached. still no deal as we stand. only a few days to go. are you actually planning a hiring freeze or layoffs? >> i think every business man plans the fall part of the year, particularly if they are on a calendar fiscal year. we put "x" percent of our budget at risk with a contingency just in case things go bad in the economy. >> what percentage is that now? >> i don't want to tip off to the street what our -- what our plan is, but what i will...
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president obama cutting short his annual vacation in hawaii to deal with the fiscal cliff. no sight of congressional leaders. they're not in town. investors getting a little bit nervous. will congress get it together in time? no talks that we know of are imminent. it was by at least one measure, the weakest holiday retail sales growth since the financial crisis back in 2008, but could a post-christmas holiday sales bounce be around the corner? >>> and what a year it has been for tech. gadgets and gizmos. apple, facebook, microsoft all have big news. will 2013 be a lucky year for the sector? which tech titans might lead the new trends? simon hobbs is in at the new york stock exchange. >> good afternoon. when president obama arrives back in d.c., can he prevent america falling over the fiscal cliff? house republicans haven't yet called their members back to washington. our chief political correspondent, john harwood, is with us. john, this feels very much like it might be the calm before the storm in more way than one. >> it could be if we go over the cliff and the storm woul
president obama cutting short his annual vacation in hawaii to deal with the fiscal cliff. no sight of congressional leaders. they're not in town. investors getting a little bit nervous. will congress get it together in time? no talks that we know of are imminent. it was by at least one measure, the weakest holiday retail sales growth since the financial crisis back in 2008, but could a post-christmas holiday sales bounce be around the corner? >>> and what a year it has been for tech....
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the cliff. >> still ahead, as we approach the fiscal cliff, hopes for a debt deal are fading. we'll talk to strategists from both parties about how to prevent disaster, and what happens if we go over the cliff. judd gregg and julie epstein will join us at the top of the hour. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12 years. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'
the cliff. >> still ahead, as we approach the fiscal cliff, hopes for a debt deal are fading. we'll talk to strategists from both parties about how to prevent disaster, and what happens if we go over the cliff. judd gregg and julie epstein will join us at the top of the hour. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning....
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the house of representatives set to reconvene on sunday in another attempt to agree on a fiscal cliff deal. amon j eamon jav everyoers has the sto. >> i'm keeping an eye on my iphone here, i just got an e-mail from a source that says there might be even further news this evening, so, waiting for a status update on that. but we did get some news today and that news, as you say, was that the house of representatives is going to be called back early. they are coming back on sunday at 6:30 p.m. what they're going to do when they get here, we don't have any idea. but we had a fascinating series of dueling press conferences, dueling floor speeches, i should say, by senate republican and democratic leaders. the republican leader, mitch mcconnell, really put the blame on democrats, but he did seem to indicate that there may be further negotiations that are ongoing here, possibly even as we speak. take a listen to mitch mcconnell earlier this afternoon. >> the truth is, we're coming up against a hard deadline here and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. and republi
the house of representatives set to reconvene on sunday in another attempt to agree on a fiscal cliff deal. amon j eamon jav everyoers has the sto. >> i'm keeping an eye on my iphone here, i just got an e-mail from a source that says there might be even further news this evening, so, waiting for a status update on that. but we did get some news today and that news, as you say, was that the house of representatives is going to be called back early. they are coming back on sunday at 6:30...
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that stokes investor hopes for a fiscal cliff deal and this coming just a few hours after harry reid's comments sent the dow into a tailspin. we have complete coverage in this developing story which is happening tonight as we speak. also, as supplies from the obama team, ep achieve lisa jackson stepping down. can the coal companies finally breathe a sigh of relief? guess what happened in britain when the uk banned handguns. the surprising result that could change the gun control debate. "the kudlow report" start ises right now. >>> the big news tonight, still the developments in washington on the fiscal cliff, eamon javers joins us with the details. >> good evening, meshel. capitol hill sources tell cnbc that congressional leaders are planning to go to the white house tomorrow to meet with president barack obama and it is not entirely clear at this point when that meeting will take place and details are still being hammered out and we saw today a blistering series of rhetorical jabs from one side to the other and it's not clear as a result of all that whether a deal can, in fact, get h
that stokes investor hopes for a fiscal cliff deal and this coming just a few hours after harry reid's comments sent the dow into a tailspin. we have complete coverage in this developing story which is happening tonight as we speak. also, as supplies from the obama team, ep achieve lisa jackson stepping down. can the coal companies finally breathe a sigh of relief? guess what happened in britain when the uk banned handguns. the surprising result that could change the gun control debate....
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. >>> in case you're keeping score, only three days to go until we hit the fiscal cliff. no deal yet but we're getting lots of mixed messages. >> that's a good way to put it. >> mixed messages around washington today with some animosi animosity, but here's what senate majority leader harry reid had to say just a little while ago. listen. >> i say to the speaker take the escape hatch that we've left you. put the economic fate of the nation ahead of your own fate as speaker of the house. millions of middle class families are nervously watching, waiting and counting down the moment until our taxes go up. >> well, senator kay bailey hutchison is republican from texas, first elected back in 1993 and served in leadership positions and been an outspoken nor to the budget and defense. senator, great to have you with us here. >> we sure are going to miss you, one of the great group of moderates. >> maybe you're relieved to be leaving at this point. >> thinking of new year's eve here in washington and thinking, you know, this is the time to exit. >> go out while things get a little
. >>> in case you're keeping score, only three days to go until we hit the fiscal cliff. no deal yet but we're getting lots of mixed messages. >> that's a good way to put it. >> mixed messages around washington today with some animosi animosity, but here's what senate majority leader harry reid had to say just a little while ago. listen. >> i say to the speaker take the escape hatch that we've left you. put the economic fate of the nation ahead of your own fate as...
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entirely unremarkable on the list. >> no deal on the fiscal cliff. let's say not even the small deal that perhaps the market is expecting. when do we start to see that play out? does that play out prior to new year? or do we wait until it actually passes? >> i think it goes past the new year day. it seems they're going to come up with something, even if it's a short-term fix, band-aid if you will. this thing is just not going to get into a sort of hysterical mode, where say the tea party is running the whole thing. and you just have this sense that they will not negotiate. i think that moderation will be the order of the day. the incumbents know what's at stake. they want to keep their positions in washington. they're going to do what politicians do. wheel and deal and get a deal done. >> i'm picturing lucy with a football here, gordon. but we will see. that's the old saying. >> yeah, well, listen, carl, the fact of the matter is, i'm down here on the floor and i'm trying to give your viewers a sense of what we're seeing from the investment community
entirely unremarkable on the list. >> no deal on the fiscal cliff. let's say not even the small deal that perhaps the market is expecting. when do we start to see that play out? does that play out prior to new year? or do we wait until it actually passes? >> i think it goes past the new year day. it seems they're going to come up with something, even if it's a short-term fix, band-aid if you will. this thing is just not going to get into a sort of hysterical mode, where say the tea...
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the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and this i guess is also the big news, the white house saying the president's going to be flying back from vacation in hawaii today. a lot of people making something of that. i don't know what it means ultimately. >> well, one thing it means -- >> a show of something. >> if i had to get back from hawaii at a minute's notice, you know what it would be. the president will have an easier time of it, i think. right? >> i noticed a couple of news reports saying the cost of the last-minute flight is about $250 -- >> he's the president, he's
the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and...
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of course we now have to deal with the fiscal cliff. also, the nasdaq is the percentage winner with a gain of 15% this year. which, by the way, is exactly the same as australia's asx. >> two minutes into the show, already an australia reference. shameless. >> shameless. >>> all right. could be a humbug christmas for retailers this year. the market today saying that things look a little more naughty than nice for many of the names. i want to look at the wall behind me because these are a bunch of red names, right? the bottom performers in the s & p 500 today, most of them are retail. look at that. coach, the single worst performer in the s & p 500 today. you've got ralph lauren, amazon, abercrombie & fitch, tiffany, the gap. fossil. urban outfitters. the limited. look at that. macy's on that name as well. many of the worst performers today are the retailers, perhaps on the back of that mastercard survey that we referenced earlier. by the way, though, as our long-lost friend herb greenberg might say, the biggest gaining retail stock today
of course we now have to deal with the fiscal cliff. also, the nasdaq is the percentage winner with a gain of 15% this year. which, by the way, is exactly the same as australia's asx. >> two minutes into the show, already an australia reference. shameless. >> shameless. >>> all right. could be a humbug christmas for retailers this year. the market today saying that things look a little more naughty than nice for many of the names. i want to look at the wall behind me...
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meantime just a few hours to go, still no deal on the fiscal cliff. how are the markets going to be impacted heading into the new year? head of research joining us from new york, andrew, happy new year to you. all kinds of predictions because there's this big blob of uncertainty facing us in the near term. overall, what's your sense for how the next year goes? >> our major message to clients is that we expect equities to be up between 5% and 10% next year. the first quarter probably will be a little bit choppy with fiscal policy uncertainty, but having said that, earnings will grow, china market is much better, u.s. residential housing is in good shape. so we expect stocks to be higher 12 months from thousand. >> you think the market trade is cheap cyclicals.thousand. >> you think the market trade is cheap cyclicals. explain the logic. >> it's very clear that the u.s. housing market is in much better shape, so there are industrial stocks stanley works as an example that should be growing through the year almost regardless of whether the fiscal cliff g
meantime just a few hours to go, still no deal on the fiscal cliff. how are the markets going to be impacted heading into the new year? head of research joining us from new york, andrew, happy new year to you. all kinds of predictions because there's this big blob of uncertainty facing us in the near term. overall, what's your sense for how the next year goes? >> our major message to clients is that we expect equities to be up between 5% and 10% next year. the first quarter probably will...
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on the markets, pricing in a deal on the fiscal cliff. we will ask chris sheldon chief investment officer at dreyfuss corporation who joins us from boston. don't know if you've been watching, chris, jason, i think thinks that overall the market's a little ahead of itself but there are still pockets of value. how do you view the overall markets this morning? >> not radically different. good morning, gentlemen. hello, jason, how are you? >> how you doing, chris? >> good. good to see you. i think jason's right in the sense that when we have management teams all over the world, literally, and almost every one of these teams assumes that the fiscal cliff will be fixed, the market has rallied in anticipation of that. here we are, once again at the 11th hour, and so in that sense, if we don't get some type of a deal here in the next few days, which the clock is ticking, i think in that regard, the market may be a little bit ahead of itself. >> overall, though, the -- i guess you have to say that the price-to-earnings multiple is pretty low and r
on the markets, pricing in a deal on the fiscal cliff. we will ask chris sheldon chief investment officer at dreyfuss corporation who joins us from boston. don't know if you've been watching, chris, jason, i think thinks that overall the market's a little ahead of itself but there are still pockets of value. how do you view the overall markets this morning? >> not radically different. good morning, gentlemen. hello, jason, how are you? >> how you doing, chris? >> good. good to...
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that's quite a ways from where the stock closed today, but you know, if the fiscal cliff gets any messier, then we can be there pretty quickly. >> yeah. guy, this was your trade that you recommended, should we reach a deal on the cliff. monster run, all the defense stocks since the beginning of november. >> i traded on the long side. i understand why people would be buying protective puts here. i still think this is going to be one of those, you know, sell the rumor, which people have, and buy the news, which people have not yet. these stocks have clearly underperformed. i think if there's any clarity whatsoever, though i think there will be -- they'll be in the cross hairs, i think the stock will go higher. >> check out the show and its new facebook page, facebook.com/optionsaction. >>> no crystal balls here, but grit and determination. what our traders are betting on in 2013. first, we head to twitter and reveal your stock tweets for the new year. back after this. ♪ [ cows moo ] [ sizzling ] more rain... [ thunder rumbles ] ♪ [ male announcer ] when the world moves... futures move f
that's quite a ways from where the stock closed today, but you know, if the fiscal cliff gets any messier, then we can be there pretty quickly. >> yeah. guy, this was your trade that you recommended, should we reach a deal on the cliff. monster run, all the defense stocks since the beginning of november. >> i traded on the long side. i understand why people would be buying protective puts here. i still think this is going to be one of those, you know, sell the rumor, which people...
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, to avoid the fiscal cliff, before that january 1st deadline. these are some of the sectors that we're keeping watch on. financials were among the worst performing sectors yesterday. as we look at them, they are extending those losses today. they've been a very strong performer in 2012, but concerns about the cliff are having a big impact on this group. taking a look at the commodity stocks, dollar strength putting pressure on this group as well. the dollar is one of the areas where you're seeing some green in today's session. commodities weaker across the board. we are seeing strength in crude oil, though. it is up slightly in today's trade. we're also, of course, watching the vix. yesterday it spiked above that 20 mark and that was something that hadn't happened in about five months. this, of course, is an index of fear among investors. you can see it spiking a little bit higher. we'll see where it moves at 3:00, and after that, of course, if we get any news about the talks that are taking place this afternoon at the white house. guys, back to
, to avoid the fiscal cliff, before that january 1st deadline. these are some of the sectors that we're keeping watch on. financials were among the worst performing sectors yesterday. as we look at them, they are extending those losses today. they've been a very strong performer in 2012, but concerns about the cliff are having a big impact on this group. taking a look at the commodity stocks, dollar strength putting pressure on this group as well. the dollar is one of the areas where you're...
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four days to go before america goes over the fiscal cliff. what does that really mean for average snerns how would going over the cliff affect you? jackie deangel lis is at cnbc hears. >> four days away, not a lot of time at all. a lot is at stake for all-americans if washington can't come to some sort of agreement before the deadline. while some groups will be impacted differently, the key here is that everyone will be paying more. consider those who make roughly $20,000 a year or less. they'll be paying on average $412 more. if your salary is in the $64,000 range, you're going to be paying almost $2,000 mosh. remember, that's why president obama was talking about my 2 k. he wanted to get the middle class to weigh in on the tax debate. that's how much they'll be paying. if you make a little bit over $100,000, you'll see an average hike of $3500. let's get to the higher category and income earner. households making half a million a year, they'll contribute about $15,000 a more. of course they're the top earners, the .1%, on average they'll se
four days to go before america goes over the fiscal cliff. what does that really mean for average snerns how would going over the cliff affect you? jackie deangel lis is at cnbc hears. >> four days away, not a lot of time at all. a lot is at stake for all-americans if washington can't come to some sort of agreement before the deadline. while some groups will be impacted differently, the key here is that everyone will be paying more. consider those who make roughly $20,000 a year or less....
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they arrived there about an hour ago with three days to go before we go over that proverbial fiscal cliff. they are meeting with the president and the treasury secretary timothy geithner, and they are trying to hash out a deal. but reports that the president has nothing new on the table has ended up spooking wall street in a big way just in the last hour, and as bill said we finished down near the lows of the day, down about 157 points for the dow. settling up right now. down what, about 165 at the very low, bill? >> i think so, yes. >> and the nasdaq finishing down 25 points and the s&p off by 15, a fifth straight day in the red. well, it is the last friday of 2012. it's in the books. check. still no deal in sight and no new offer either on the table from the president as eamon javers told us a little while ago. what now for the markets? we have our guests and our very own rick sell sebak with us. rick, let me get to you, first of all, because you're here on the set. what now for the markets? >> what now for the markets? it's going to be up or down dramatically which makes it challenging
they arrived there about an hour ago with three days to go before we go over that proverbial fiscal cliff. they are meeting with the president and the treasury secretary timothy geithner, and they are trying to hash out a deal. but reports that the president has nothing new on the table has ended up spooking wall street in a big way just in the last hour, and as bill said we finished down near the lows of the day, down about 157 points for the dow. settling up right now. down what, about 165 at...